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Hi Michael, I hope I am being respectful. We have been joking a bit, so can I joke back?

About Turtles and the ad-infinitum regression. (I'll put it here since June is so far away.)

Some people like fractals and claim them proof for infinite regression. (The word "infinite" is a thought form, no more.) OK, the fractal that we have all seen is a computer formula that keeps digging deeper, and reveling that same pattern. So how long can you run that program. I say just a few hours or less, (I don't know, but not long), and then you are down to a Planck Length. Basically it is 10 to the minus 35. Then you have left "reality" and you are in captain-fantasia land. So infinite regression is solved as HOKUM. Going the other way to the "container" of all the known billions and billions of galaxies, it is about 10 to the plus 35. So we have 10 to the 70 from the very smallest to the very largest. It is big, but that refutes "INFINITY". More Hokum.

OK the three routes:

The first is to say that Time is a primitive - a foundational element: and that we cannot address “why” questions to primitives. They just are…end of story. Such stipulations are not very satisfying. (But it is a good way to say stop asking stupid questions).

The second route is to suggest a cosmologist’s answer, like a co-emergence of Time and the Universe. (They have just disproven the "big-bang BTW".) But that answer doesn't work out either for it ultimately leads to regression and we're back to turtles all the way down. (I'll answer that below.)

The third way is to simply acknowledge we don't know. Yet. But not to make an unwarranted assumption that it is unknowable in principle. (Of course it is unknowable.) Perhaps some future AI specializing in Philosophy will figure it out….

OH Yeah, AI will do it?

But notice we still don't have an entry on the No Cause list.

OK about causes: there are two entries. One is called friction, and the other is called significant figures.

If you move a pebble in the sand its force is attenuated in less that 5 inches. All those grains of sand that it moved are attenuated in one second. Then we are just in the basic background vibratory Brownian Motion that causes nothing, especially on any human level, or even with finest instruments. Brownian Motion just oscillates throughout the whole universe, but it is like a steady state.

If a butterfly flaps its wings, and that pushes some air around, somehow it gets to Singapore??? Well the friction takes care of it within inches, and the normal wind motion, but even if you say every air molecule is a perfectly elastic billiard ball, by the time you got to Singapore, you would be way-way past 10 to the minus 70, completely out of the universe and into the gray matter, of someone with beaucoup time to waste.

No time interval, cause-cause-cause-cause, speedy huh?

Does Time itself have a discernible cause? - But we will assume it does, unless proven otherwise! Sez Who? You assume it is uncaused until someone proves it has a cause.

Really Interesting Question - can you describe a universe where nothing has a cause, where the No Cause list is full and the Caused list is empty?

Logically it is simply apparent that cause has to be a sequence of motion in matter, in time and through space. Physical motion is how you measure time and actually is how and why it appears. Take away any one of these 4, time, space, matter, motion, and that is a universe without cause. Of course nothing (as we know it) happens either.

If there was no matter there would be no space. With no motion, there would be no time. Not even stillness. The so-called spiritual world only has disembodied beings (Ha). So there is no matter, no motion, no thought, and no time. It is an inert timeless dimension, (in our imagination). Nothing happening, so what's the allure? Well, there is no PAIN and no SUFFERING. Pain is a reality that serves us well, without feeling we couldn't even button our shirt. (I could have said trousers, but I am trying to watch my language on your site.)

SUFFERING is a definition - stop defining it! You're here such a short time anyhow, give 100% focus and intention to here and now, and don't be tempted to divert toward entertaining abstractions.

Is that too much of an answer for LUD?

(I'm not a physicist, but just an opinionated person.) Thanks for your prolific playground of posts.

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Hi Michael, I'm back again: As I understand Christianity, preachers insist that God is a person. (Jesus too.) Yeah, they're infinite and all that stuff, but the main enigma in Christianity is that they are a "person" too.

That is because a raw ideology carries no weight. But in a "personal relationship" (talk it over, ask for help), your heart can really "flutter" with the experience. That is the basis of Christian conviction.

Everything about God: Please note: Every last bit of it is abstract. There is no way to touch infinite, Omnipotence, eternal, Inscrutability, Omniscience. That's called a leap of faith. Where do you leap? You leap from somewhere, (in your life); to nowhere, (Into your metal shenanigans). OK, it may feel better that way??? If you run your life on feeling only, and if you never learned to "author your own feelings".

Here is a good example:

So observes William James. Example: God, being the first cause, possesses existence per se; He is necessary and absolute, unlimited, infinitely perfect, one and only, spiritual, immutable, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. This is an impressive philological parade, but it gets one no nearer to an understanding of God. It is all high-level (meaningless) abstractions.

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OK the last thing: posing a problem is dependent on the context underlying the creation of that problem. The context of this article is: HEY, you can get a flat tire! It is kind of like the statistical norm of getting a heart-attack, no matter what your health habits are.

God works by guiding me so I don't drive over a nail. If I get one flat every two years, God has in effect fixed over 700 flat tires. Then I finally drive on the rubbish heap.

WELL, after 700 tire repairs doesn't God deserve a day-off???

thanks

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